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		<title>By: Top 8 Magic &#187; More On Greedy Grixis</title>
		<link>http://www.top8magic.com/2008/11/price-of-progress-kithkin-testing/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>Top 8 Magic &#187; More On Greedy Grixis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 17:23:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] I played Will Price of Progress&#8217;s Greedy Grixis deck as described in Price of Progress: Kithkin Testing. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I played Will Price of Progress&#8217;s Greedy Grixis deck as described in Price of Progress: Kithkin Testing. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Nick_</title>
		<link>http://www.top8magic.com/2008/11/price-of-progress-kithkin-testing/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick_</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 01:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was playing the first list you posted almost card for card on MWS, the only changes I made were changing Arcane Santcums to Vivid Marshes, which helped the mana a bit, and adding a 61st card in a second Lark because Lark was so good and I didn't know what to cut.  It's doing great on MWS so far, but I kept wanting a MD sweeper.  I'm thinking about cutting one Mannequin and one Sower for two Infest, but after that I'm not so sure of where to make changes for sweepers.  

What does your SB look like so far, aside from 4x sweeper?  I had 4x Thoughtseize for Faeries and Planeswalkers, but the Faerie matchup has been poor so far.  Planeswalkers was easy as long as they don't get a turn 3/4 Ajani.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was playing the first list you posted almost card for card on MWS, the only changes I made were changing Arcane Santcums to Vivid Marshes, which helped the mana a bit, and adding a 61st card in a second Lark because Lark was so good and I didn&#8217;t know what to cut.  It&#8217;s doing great on MWS so far, but I kept wanting a MD sweeper.  I&#8217;m thinking about cutting one Mannequin and one Sower for two Infest, but after that I&#8217;m not so sure of where to make changes for sweepers.  </p>
<p>What does your SB look like so far, aside from 4x sweeper?  I had 4x Thoughtseize for Faeries and Planeswalkers, but the Faerie matchup has been poor so far.  Planeswalkers was easy as long as they don&#8217;t get a turn 3/4 Ajani.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Keefer</title>
		<link>http://www.top8magic.com/2008/11/price-of-progress-kithkin-testing/#comment-191</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Keefer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 23:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I agree, this column is much better than Jake's column.

It just has a better name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I agree, this column is much better than Jake&#8217;s column.</p>
<p>It just has a better name.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Van Lunen</title>
		<link>http://www.top8magic.com/2008/11/price-of-progress-kithkin-testing/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Van Lunen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like you wanted me, callin' me, all the time.

I like the column.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like you wanted me, callin&#8217; me, all the time.</p>
<p>I like the column.</p>
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		<title>By: mm_young</title>
		<link>http://www.top8magic.com/2008/11/price-of-progress-kithkin-testing/#comment-181</link>
		<dc:creator>mm_young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 16:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MWS for the Mac? When I get back from my vacation I'll be all over that stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MWS for the Mac? When I get back from my vacation I&#8217;ll be all over that stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Price</title>
		<link>http://www.top8magic.com/2008/11/price-of-progress-kithkin-testing/#comment-180</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Price</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 11:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have actually tried Demigod in a previous build, but ended up replacing it with the 3 Siege-Gang/1 Reveillark. I should try to find the original build and post it, because it is incredibly different. The original build literally had no way to win other than Bitterblossom and Ajani Vengeant, so I tried Demigod for a bit before I realized he really doesn't synergize with Mannequin (have to actually play him to get the trigger) so like I said I moved on to Siege-Gang, which has been awesome in many different ways.

I am starting to believe that 4 Mannequins may be too many as well. There are definitely times where they sit in my hand because I didn't get a Mulldrifter or Fulminator Mage in the bin early. 

Another card I was considering for a while was Ashling, the Extinguisher. Has anyone ever tried her out? If I cut 1-2 Mannequin what should I put in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have actually tried Demigod in a previous build, but ended up replacing it with the 3 Siege-Gang/1 Reveillark. I should try to find the original build and post it, because it is incredibly different. The original build literally had no way to win other than Bitterblossom and Ajani Vengeant, so I tried Demigod for a bit before I realized he really doesn&#8217;t synergize with Mannequin (have to actually play him to get the trigger) so like I said I moved on to Siege-Gang, which has been awesome in many different ways.</p>
<p>I am starting to believe that 4 Mannequins may be too many as well. There are definitely times where they sit in my hand because I didn&#8217;t get a Mulldrifter or Fulminator Mage in the bin early. </p>
<p>Another card I was considering for a while was Ashling, the Extinguisher. Has anyone ever tried her out? If I cut 1-2 Mannequin what should I put in?</p>
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		<title>By: Straw Dog</title>
		<link>http://www.top8magic.com/2008/11/price-of-progress-kithkin-testing/#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator>Straw Dog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think your instincts on reworking the mana are probably right. I really can't feel it out properly without cards in front of me. I did sketch up a little table, and the first ting that jumped out at me is that I think your numbers on Cascade Bluffs and Sunken Ruins are backward. You really never have need for BB in a case where RR wouldn't suffice, and you do have SGC with RR costs. Maybe change that and compensate by switching a R out of one of your painlands for a B?

The vivid lands have the distinct advantage of being able to have the most specialized sideboard possible, so it would seem worth testing that base versus the tri-lands. I would hazard that you will probably still want to keep a few, though.

Firespout is still good in a few matchups that infest isn't, but that forgetender value may be important to you. Perhaps a split is in order?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think your instincts on reworking the mana are probably right. I really can&#8217;t feel it out properly without cards in front of me. I did sketch up a little table, and the first ting that jumped out at me is that I think your numbers on Cascade Bluffs and Sunken Ruins are backward. You really never have need for BB in a case where RR wouldn&#8217;t suffice, and you do have SGC with RR costs. Maybe change that and compensate by switching a R out of one of your painlands for a B?</p>
<p>The vivid lands have the distinct advantage of being able to have the most specialized sideboard possible, so it would seem worth testing that base versus the tri-lands. I would hazard that you will probably still want to keep a few, though.</p>
<p>Firespout is still good in a few matchups that infest isn&#8217;t, but that forgetender value may be important to you. Perhaps a split is in order?</p>
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		<title>By: Seryph</title>
		<link>http://www.top8magic.com/2008/11/price-of-progress-kithkin-testing/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator>Seryph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:25:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, looking at your manabase, only 1 land in your whole deck doesn't help you cast Demigod, so if he's at all interesting he is definitely castable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, looking at your manabase, only 1 land in your whole deck doesn&#8217;t help you cast Demigod, so if he&#8217;s at all interesting he is definitely castable.</p>
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		<title>By: ReeceP</title>
		<link>http://www.top8magic.com/2008/11/price-of-progress-kithkin-testing/#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator>ReeceP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:24:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should clarify: I was blown out by Kithkin in that Q.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should clarify: I was blown out by Kithkin in that Q.</p>
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		<title>By: ReeceP</title>
		<link>http://www.top8magic.com/2008/11/price-of-progress-kithkin-testing/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator>ReeceP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I played the first list card-for-card on modo and got blown the *bleep* out in the first round of a Q. I had completely forgotten about infest, which would have (in return) blown him out in both games. I think I might put some in the board and take it for another run, because my teammate who is testing the deck has pretty much just fallen in love with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I played the first list card-for-card on modo and got blown the *bleep* out in the first round of a Q. I had completely forgotten about infest, which would have (in return) blown him out in both games. I think I might put some in the board and take it for another run, because my teammate who is testing the deck has pretty much just fallen in love with it.</p>
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