Comments on: Price of Progress: Greedy Grixis Pt. 2 http://www.top8magic.com/2008/12/price-of-progress-greedy-grixis-pt-2/ Magic: the Gathering current trends, play tips, gossip Sat, 11 Feb 2012 03:14:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Bob Baker http://www.top8magic.com/2008/12/price-of-progress-greedy-grixis-pt-2/#comment-280 Bob Baker Fri, 05 Dec 2008 21:32:59 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1090#comment-280 I seem to have forgotten about Demigod and Gouger. That's pretty embarrassing. In that case I can see how the flexibility of it being an instant would make up for the difficulty of casting it. I'll take my foot out of my mouth now. I seem to have forgotten about Demigod and Gouger. That’s pretty embarrassing. In that case I can see how the flexibility of it being an instant would make up for the difficulty of casting it. I’ll take my foot out of my mouth now.

]]> By: Seryph http://www.top8magic.com/2008/12/price-of-progress-greedy-grixis-pt-2/#comment-279 Seryph Fri, 05 Dec 2008 08:06:41 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1090#comment-279 Baker, -4/-4 and Terror (via Shriekmaw) are very different in this format. Most notably, -4/-4 kills Demigod of Revenge and Ashenmoor Gouger, which Terror does not. Also, instant speed is a huge difference, between, say, killing a Mistbind Clique and having it shielded by a Scion of Oona. The Boomerang effect is great. Playing it on Vivid or other CIPT lands is so good in certain matchups (namely 5cc, but probably also Planeswalkers... nice Fertile Ground... and others) especially when you can follow it up with subsequent Grixis Charms or Ajani Vengeant tap downs, both of which this deck is capable of. It is pretty impressive to have 5cc on an effective 2 mana the turn you make a Siege-gang Commander. Also, while Grixis Charm's pump has synergy with Siege-gang Commander, it also turns every Bitterblossom token into a Lightning Bolt, which can (and has, for me) kill people out of nowhere, much like Torrent of Souls decks like to do. Baker, -4/-4 and Terror (via Shriekmaw) are very different in this format. Most notably, -4/-4 kills Demigod of Revenge and Ashenmoor Gouger, which Terror does not. Also, instant speed is a huge difference, between, say, killing a Mistbind Clique and having it shielded by a Scion of Oona.

The Boomerang effect is great. Playing it on Vivid or other CIPT lands is so good in certain matchups (namely 5cc, but probably also Planeswalkers… nice Fertile Ground… and others) especially when you can follow it up with subsequent Grixis Charms or Ajani Vengeant tap downs, both of which this deck is capable of. It is pretty impressive to have 5cc on an effective 2 mana the turn you make a Siege-gang Commander.

Also, while Grixis Charm’s pump has synergy with Siege-gang Commander, it also turns every Bitterblossom token into a Lightning Bolt, which can (and has, for me) kill people out of nowhere, much like Torrent of Souls decks like to do.

]]> By: jbh2989 http://www.top8magic.com/2008/12/price-of-progress-greedy-grixis-pt-2/#comment-278 jbh2989 Fri, 05 Dec 2008 06:30:30 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1090#comment-278 It's a shame he and the other had to get let go. He's a great personality for Magic. How sick would it be if he won Kyoto or something. Go Randy. It’s a shame he and the other had to get let go. He’s a great personality for Magic.

How sick would it be if he won Kyoto or something. Go Randy.

]]> By: Bob Baker http://www.top8magic.com/2008/12/price-of-progress-greedy-grixis-pt-2/#comment-277 Bob Baker Fri, 05 Dec 2008 01:49:38 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1090#comment-277 How good is Grixis Charm really? I mean I can see the synergy with Siege Gang and all, but that seems more cute than effective as Siege Gang can just kill people by him self. It also doesn't kill anything, at least that I can think of, that Shriekmaw doesn't, and the Boomerang effect hardly seems worth while. Could you cut them for like more Shriekmaws and like a Firespout or something? Or is there some interaction that I'm missing that makes this card really strong? How good is Grixis Charm really? I mean I can see the synergy with Siege Gang and all, but that seems more cute than effective as Siege Gang can just kill people by him self. It also doesn’t kill anything, at least that I can think of, that Shriekmaw doesn’t, and the Boomerang effect hardly seems worth while. Could you cut them for like more Shriekmaws and like a Firespout or something? Or is there some interaction that I’m missing that makes this card really strong?

]]> By: ReeceP http://www.top8magic.com/2008/12/price-of-progress-greedy-grixis-pt-2/#comment-276 ReeceP Thu, 04 Dec 2008 22:49:26 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1090#comment-276 I feel bad for Randy, but at the same time I am SO. FREAKING. EXCITED for him to come back. We've missed you, Randy! I feel bad for Randy, but at the same time I am SO. FREAKING. EXCITED for him to come back. We’ve missed you, Randy!

]]> By: Seryph http://www.top8magic.com/2008/12/price-of-progress-greedy-grixis-pt-2/#comment-275 Seryph Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:52:35 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1090#comment-275 That's really weak that Randy got fired, but MAN is it exciting. I really hope he comes back to the game with a vengeance, that would be so awesome, yet more dedicated and talented players in the US. Maybe he'll write (or podcast) for somewhere... like... I dunno... Top8Magic.com or something? That’s really weak that Randy got fired, but MAN is it exciting. I really hope he comes back to the game with a vengeance, that would be so awesome, yet more dedicated and talented players in the US. Maybe he’ll write (or podcast) for somewhere… like… I dunno… Top8Magic.com or something?

]]> By: WillPoP http://www.top8magic.com/2008/12/price-of-progress-greedy-grixis-pt-2/#comment-274 WillPoP Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:08:00 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1090#comment-274 YES! It looks like I left the Larks off the list. Will go and edit it now, there should be 3 of them. YES!

It looks like I left the Larks off the list. Will go and edit it now, there should be 3 of them.

]]> By: michaelj http://www.top8magic.com/2008/12/price-of-progress-greedy-grixis-pt-2/#comment-273 michaelj Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:04:51 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1090#comment-273 I actually taped some games with my version of Will's deck. I am certain that there are many matchups where you can't win without Cruel Ultimatum. That said, I've lost more than once to Fae resolving Cruel Ultimatum... twice even. The Fae match is very difficult. I just got back from speaking at a seminar in Florida and I have literally no voice but when it returns I will produce the video of working on Will's deck and put it up on You Tube. I disagree with the move to Vivid lands. I know I am the one who said that Tri-lands are not going to be played heavily in Standard until Vivids rotate however something Sadin may have missed is that Will's deck has a steady, unending, turn-to-turn NEED for colored mana. All of the cards have persistent color requirements that cannot be resolved by generic Vivid lands. I actually use all the counters on my Vivid Creeks on a regular basis in Will's deck. By the way it is utterly pointless to continue to play Sower of Temptation in this deck if you have pulled Reveillark; Seige-Gang is also much less exciting without the big guy. Are there missing Larks? I actually taped some games with my version of Will’s deck.

I am certain that there are many matchups where you can’t win without Cruel Ultimatum.

That said, I’ve lost more than once to Fae resolving Cruel Ultimatum… twice even.

The Fae match is very difficult.

I just got back from speaking at a seminar in Florida and I have literally no voice but when it returns I will produce the video of working on Will’s deck and put it up on You Tube.

I disagree with the move to Vivid lands. I know I am the one who said that Tri-lands are not going to be played heavily in Standard until Vivids rotate however something Sadin may have missed is that Will’s deck has a steady, unending, turn-to-turn NEED for colored mana. All of the cards have persistent color requirements that cannot be resolved by generic Vivid lands. I actually use all the counters on my Vivid Creeks on a regular basis in Will’s deck.

By the way it is utterly pointless to continue to play Sower of Temptation in this deck if you have pulled Reveillark; Seige-Gang is also much less exciting without the big guy. Are there missing Larks?

]]> By: bdm http://www.top8magic.com/2008/12/price-of-progress-greedy-grixis-pt-2/#comment-271 bdm Thu, 04 Dec 2008 13:54:36 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1090#comment-271 Randy will be doing video coverage / webcasting with me at Worlds but I fully expect him to be playing in Kyoto. Randy will be doing video coverage / webcasting with me at Worlds but I fully expect him to be playing in Kyoto.

]]> By: zsievers http://www.top8magic.com/2008/12/price-of-progress-greedy-grixis-pt-2/#comment-270 zsievers Thu, 04 Dec 2008 03:53:53 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1090#comment-270 Off topic: http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/13847.html Does this mean he will be on the PT now? Off topic:

http://www.icv2.com/articles/news/13847.html
Does this mean he will be on the PT now?

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