Comments on: Zendikar by Kard: Warping Worlds with Ob Nixilis, The Fallen http://www.top8magic.com/2009/09/zendikar-by-kard-warping-worlds-with-ob-nixilis-the-fallen/ Magic: the Gathering current trends, play tips, gossip Sat, 11 Feb 2012 19:04:58 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: james http://www.top8magic.com/2009/09/zendikar-by-kard-warping-worlds-with-ob-nixilis-the-fallen/#comment-1967 james Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:07:02 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1872#comment-1967 ive been running warp world in many different styles and i finallly hit on the perfect combination and its crazy what i can do with it. when landfall hit the scene warp world became epic. My warp world has the combination of 4 hellkites, 3 rampaging baloths, 3 avenger of zendikar, 2 ob nixilis, and 3 seige gangs not to mention the B.O.P's, 4 lotus cobras my mana ramp is rediculous and and when i warp im usually set with about 20 pemanents first warp not to mention i can generally warp 4th or 5th turn and do it again that same turn. id put up my decklist but im pressed for time. ive been running warp world in many different styles and i finallly hit on the perfect combination and its crazy what i can do with it. when landfall hit the scene warp world became epic. My warp world has the combination of 4 hellkites, 3 rampaging baloths, 3 avenger of zendikar, 2 ob nixilis, and 3 seige gangs not to mention the B.O.P’s, 4 lotus cobras my mana ramp is rediculous and and when i warp im usually set with about 20 pemanents first warp not to mention i can generally warp 4th or 5th turn and do it again that same turn. id put up my decklist but im pressed for time.

]]> By: magic person http://www.top8magic.com/2009/09/zendikar-by-kard-warping-worlds-with-ob-nixilis-the-fallen/#comment-1965 magic person Fri, 05 Mar 2010 23:49:03 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1872#comment-1965 @tex, u actually can since they nuke each other out AFTER warp world resolves but their landfall triggers before @tex, u actually can since they nuke each other out AFTER warp world resolves but their landfall triggers before

]]> By: Tex http://www.top8magic.com/2009/09/zendikar-by-kard-warping-worlds-with-ob-nixilis-the-fallen/#comment-1750 Tex Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:32:08 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1872#comment-1750 You can't use 2 Ob Effects, they are legendary, therefore kill each other when the 2nd comes into play. Even using Warp World, you have to pick the stack order in which the cards took place... so let's say you say that your Ob get's placed and you place the 2nd Ob after. Well u just killed them... Only if you place an Ob, then place 7 lands right after, can u instant-kill someone with that. You can’t use 2 Ob Effects, they are legendary, therefore kill each other when the 2nd comes into play. Even using Warp World, you have to pick the stack order in which the cards took place… so let’s say you say that your Ob get’s placed and you place the 2nd Ob after. Well u just killed them… Only if you place an Ob, then place 7 lands right after, can u instant-kill someone with that.

]]> By: Five With Flores » Update: Celestial Purge! http://www.top8magic.com/2009/09/zendikar-by-kard-warping-worlds-with-ob-nixilis-the-fallen/#comment-1715 Five With Flores » Update: Celestial Purge! Sun, 01 Nov 2009 04:03:20 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1872#comment-1715 [...] Grim Discovery 4 Ob Nixilis, the Fallen 2 Sorin [...] [...] Grim Discovery 4 Ob Nixilis, the Fallen 2 Sorin [...]

]]> By: Five With Flores » How to Play With Marsh Flats http://www.top8magic.com/2009/09/zendikar-by-kard-warping-worlds-with-ob-nixilis-the-fallen/#comment-1713 Five With Flores » How to Play With Marsh Flats Sat, 31 Oct 2009 04:51:57 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1872#comment-1713 [...] Grim Discovery 2 Mind Shatter 4 Ob Nixilis, the Fallen 2 Sorin [...] [...] Grim Discovery 2 Mind Shatter 4 Ob Nixilis, the Fallen 2 Sorin [...]

]]> By: Five With Flores » New Deck: Ho Ho Verdant Catacombs http://www.top8magic.com/2009/09/zendikar-by-kard-warping-worlds-with-ob-nixilis-the-fallen/#comment-1695 Five With Flores » New Deck: Ho Ho Verdant Catacombs Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:42:40 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1872#comment-1695 [...] Grim Discovery 4 Ob Nixilis, the Fallen 2 Sorin [...] [...] Grim Discovery 4 Ob Nixilis, the Fallen 2 Sorin [...]

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.top8magic.com/2009/09/zendikar-by-kard-warping-worlds-with-ob-nixilis-the-fallen/#comment-1548 Anonymous Sat, 19 Sep 2009 19:28:18 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1872#comment-1548 This is my list of Warp World, I still need to think on the sideboard. // Lands 4 [ON] Wooded Foothills (I will replace this with the G/R Fetch land of Zendikar when its out) 2 [DDC] Swamp (4) 7 [MI] Mountain (2) 7 [DM] Forest (1) 4 [ON] Bloodstained Mire (I will replace this with the B/R Fetch land of Zendikar when its out) // Creatures 4 [M10] Siege-Gang Commander 4 [ZEN] Ob Nixilis, the Fallen 4 [ZEN] Rampaging Baloths 4 [ARB] Bloodbraid Elf // Spells 4 [10E] Warp World 4 [ARB] Trace of Abundance 4 [ZEN] Khalni Heart Expedition 4 [M10] Rampant Growth 4 [ZEN] Harrow Khalni is really a master piece in this deck, it is king of mana boost ;). Quick SB: 3 Thought Hemorrhage (Vs Thought Hemorrage, Mindbreak Trap, Archive Trap, Counters) 3 Silence (vs Counter deck) 1 Plains 1 Island 3 Negate (Vs Counter deck) 4 Duress (Mostly For Mindbreak Trap and Archive Trap). I dont wanna run any non-basic lands besides fetch lands because Anathemancer is a b**** :) This is my list of Warp World, I still need to think on the sideboard.

// Lands
4 [ON] Wooded Foothills (I will replace this with the G/R Fetch land of Zendikar when its out)
2 [DDC] Swamp (4)
7 [MI] Mountain (2)
7 [DM] Forest (1)
4 [ON] Bloodstained Mire (I will replace this with the B/R Fetch land of Zendikar when its out)

// Creatures
4 [M10] Siege-Gang Commander
4 [ZEN] Ob Nixilis, the Fallen
4 [ZEN] Rampaging Baloths
4 [ARB] Bloodbraid Elf

// Spells
4 [10E] Warp World
4 [ARB] Trace of Abundance
4 [ZEN] Khalni Heart Expedition
4 [M10] Rampant Growth
4 [ZEN] Harrow

Khalni is really a master piece in this deck, it is king of mana boost ;).

Quick SB:

3 Thought Hemorrhage (Vs Thought Hemorrage, Mindbreak Trap, Archive Trap, Counters)
3 Silence (vs Counter deck)
1 Plains
1 Island
3 Negate (Vs Counter deck)
4 Duress (Mostly For Mindbreak Trap and Archive Trap).

I dont wanna run any non-basic lands besides fetch lands because Anathemancer is a b**** :)

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.top8magic.com/2009/09/zendikar-by-kard-warping-worlds-with-ob-nixilis-the-fallen/#comment-1546 Anonymous Sat, 19 Sep 2009 15:24:17 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1872#comment-1546 Warping into Caldera Hellion is fine, when multiple permanents comes into play at once, you choose the order they come into play, so Ob's triggered ability and Caldera's triggered ability goes on stack, you choose which one resolves first, so Ob's survives. Warping into Caldera Hellion is fine, when multiple permanents comes into play at once, you choose the order they come into play, so Ob’s triggered ability and Caldera’s triggered ability goes on stack, you choose which one resolves first, so Ob’s survives.

]]> By: Dochetwas http://www.top8magic.com/2009/09/zendikar-by-kard-warping-worlds-with-ob-nixilis-the-fallen/#comment-1535 Dochetwas Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:29:49 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1872#comment-1535 @Kevin Yes, assuming you only Warped into a single copy of Ob Nixilis. @Tekanan Ah. My solution was playing Shriekmaw. Also, the deck has enough mana accel to play a Hellkite on like turn 5. It seems like those 2 combined gave me plenty of removal, as well as not f'ing over my reveals from WW. And, as previously stated, even though they enter play at the same time, the ability "looks back in time" & sees that many lands came into play, which triggers landfall that many times. (and Flame-Kin Zealot works too, although I'm not sure why you wouldn't think it would, since it just has an enters-the-battlefield ability, like all the rest of the cards Warp World decks have been running since forever.) @Kevin Yes, assuming you only Warped into a single copy of Ob Nixilis.

@Tekanan Ah. My solution was playing Shriekmaw. Also, the deck has enough mana accel to play a Hellkite on like turn 5. It seems like those 2 combined gave me plenty of removal, as well as not f’ing over my reveals from WW.

And, as previously stated, even though they enter play at the same time, the ability “looks back in time” & sees that many lands came into play, which triggers landfall that many times. (and Flame-Kin Zealot works too, although I’m not sure why you wouldn’t think it would, since it just has an enters-the-battlefield ability, like all the rest of the cards Warp World decks have been running since forever.)

]]> By: coandco http://www.top8magic.com/2009/09/zendikar-by-kard-warping-worlds-with-ob-nixilis-the-fallen/#comment-1534 coandco Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:26:33 +0000 http://www.top8magic.com/?p=1872#comment-1534 @Tekanan: Here's how Landfall + Warp works: 603.6a Enters-the-battlefield abilities trigger when a permanent enters the battlefield. These are written, “When [this object] enters the battlefield, . . . “ or “Whenever a [type] enters the battlefield, . . .” Each time an event puts one or more permanents onto the battlefield, all permanents on the battlefield (including the newcomers) are checked for any enters-the-battlefield triggers that match the event. Due to this rule, permanents entering play simultaneously will trigger off one another. Thus, two Soul Wardens coming into play at the same time will net you two life instead of zero. When a Warp resolves, all creatures, lands, and artifacts are put into play simultaneously, and see each other coming in. Thus Ob Nixilis will see each and every land entering the battlefield, and trigger that many times. Yes, if you Warp into a Flame-Kin Zealot, all your creatures will get +1/+1 and haste, but for an entirely different reason. When Flame-Kin Zealot enters the battlefield, it triggers an ability, which isn't put on the stack until after Warp World has completely finished resolving. By the time that the triggered ability resolves, all your creatures are quite firmly in play, and you can stack your triggers so that it resolves after any other relevant abilities like those of Siege-Gang Commander or Broodmate Dragon. @Tekanan:
Here’s how Landfall + Warp works:

603.6a Enters-the-battlefield abilities trigger when a permanent enters the battlefield. These are written, “When [this object] enters the battlefield, . . . “ or “Whenever a [type] enters the battlefield, . . .” Each time an event puts one or more permanents onto the battlefield, all permanents on the battlefield (including the newcomers) are checked for any enters-the-battlefield triggers that match the event.

Due to this rule, permanents entering play simultaneously will trigger off one another. Thus, two Soul Wardens coming into play at the same time will net you two life instead of zero. When a Warp resolves, all creatures, lands, and artifacts are put into play simultaneously, and see each other coming in. Thus Ob Nixilis will see each and every land entering the battlefield, and trigger that many times.

Yes, if you Warp into a Flame-Kin Zealot, all your creatures will get +1/+1 and haste, but for an entirely different reason. When Flame-Kin Zealot enters the battlefield, it triggers an ability, which isn’t put on the stack until after Warp World has completely finished resolving. By the time that the triggered ability resolves, all your creatures are quite firmly in play, and you can stack your triggers so that it resolves after any other relevant abilities like those of Siege-Gang Commander or Broodmate Dragon.

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