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Podcast: Top8StreetFighter?

bdm | 07:48PM on Wed Nov 9 2011

Top8StreetFighter?

It has been a long time but Mike and I finally sat down and caught up on some of the latest Organized Play changes with more than a smattering of Mike’s recent obsession with Street Fighter. The exact topic of the podcast is a little tough to pin down since we had not done a ‘cast in quite some time and had plenty of stuff to talk about. There should be a little something for everyone but, alas no jackhammers. We made up for it with a special underground excursion toward the end of the podcast.

We probably won’t get another chance to update before I get back from Worlds so good luck to everyone in San Diego and San Francisco and have a great Thanksgiving!

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Holding a Grudge(match)

bdm | 02:03PM on Thu Sep 15 2011
Overheard today on Twitter:

“Would playing on a team with @fivewithflores count as ‘playing for charity’? Discuss.” - @Jonnymagic00 aka Jon Finkel

“yeah me Phil and Lachmann are a team, going all 3 days.” - @OsypL aka Osyp Lebedowicz

“wish there were events like this out in San Diego!” - @bmkibler aka Brian Kibler

What event could pique the interest of the likes of Jon Finkel, Osyp Lebedowicz, and Brian Kibler? None other than the return of the The Grudge Match, reborn as MTGGrudgeMatch.com, taking place in Philadelphia during the release weekend for Innistrad. It is a 32-person $10,000 tournament with entries being funneled into it from two events. The first is a Friday Night Innistrad Sealed Deck event that costs a preposterously low $20 and will send 8 players into the big Sunday Standard event. The remaining 24 spots will be decided on Saturday in a FREE Standard tournament.


Pretty sick, right? You have two shots to qualify and one is cheap and the other is free! Not only that but you can earn byes into the Standard portion on Saturday with a strong finish on Friday. The Top 16 players from the Sealed event will all get one-round byes the next day. You may be wondering what the Top 8 players who have already qualified for the event would want with the bye but there is a very good reason for playing both days.

Players can be sponsored to compete in the two events as three-person teams for $100 and the Top 4 teams at the end of the Sealed and Standard portions on Friday and Saturday will advance to a 3-person team event taking place after the Top 8 of the $10,000 event. The winning team will win $1,000 and the sponsor will an additional $1,000. And if you don’t have a store to sponsor you can sponsor your own team — which is what Finkel and Lebedowicz were referring to in their tweets. Additionally there is another $1,000 if the winner of the main event is a member of a sponsored team. There is up to $3,000 on the line for members of teams on the weekend.
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Unified Theory: Some Kind of Summary

Will Price | 11:03PM on Wed Jan 27 2010

Based on the comments on the podcasts and tweets I have seen, it looks like people are really missing the point of this Unified Theory thing. The goal of this post is to try and crystalize the ideas from our (myself, mike j, and others) discussions (both recorded and not) to the best of my abilities.

For as long as I have played Magic, there has always been language to try and quantify the events and outcomes of a game. This is understandable since the hobby of Magic is, in many ways, a science. All sciences require an established language through which discovery and collaboration can occur. In Magic, the most commonly used unit (up until now, at least) is “the Card.” It is very easy to describe some events using the Card e.g. playing spells that draw you cards and/or make your opponent discard cards. Most game events that literally involve cards work great. Attempts to describe more nuanced events in the language of Cards has always been tricky. If I attack you for 1, is that worth a Card? Is it worth a fraction of a Card? What fraction is it worth? How many Cards is it a Stone Rain worth on turn 2? What about turn 12? How many Cards is Dredge 6 worth?

The problem with the Card, as a unit, is that it does not have an easily applicable size (or even a well defined size, for that matter). It is too large of a unit to describe many of the events that take place over the course of a game.

I think what we are talking about with the Unified Theory is a new way of measuring game events. This is not a new theory, because its not changing anything about the game yet. The rules and tactics stay the same. What changes is the way we look at them. Thomas Kuhn wrote a book about this called the Structure of Scientific Revolutions (Read it!). What we have on our hands right now is a paradigm shift in magic.

What this Mana “theory” provides us with is a metric for measuring game events in a way that is magnitudes more precise than was available previously. Its not different from Card Advantage, its just more precise. It is an improvement, and over time it should completely replace the previous paradigm. Our job is to convince the community that what we have is better than the existing paradigm/standard of measurement.

What makes the Mana Theory a “Unified Theory” is that we can account for many many more game events, if not all game events, with much greater precision. The unit of Mana (not going to get into the “different colors of mana have different values” discussion here) is sufficiently small that, possibly, we can describe all game events with this system. What makes it the Unified theory is not that it replaces Tempo, Card Advantage, the Philosophy of Fire, or any other theory… It just gives us a better common language for discussion.

I want to take a moment here to say that I don’t blame anyone for missing the point based on the Victory Bacon podcast. None of this was explicitly said, and it was at best loosely implied by a few passing remarks. We spent most of the podcast focusing one application of the theory (Card evaluation), and not the theory itself. I think that card evaluation discussions are the easiest way to illustrate the value of the new system, but not the most valuable use of it.

On that note, the discussion of card values on twitter I think is distracting from the magnitude of this system, to the point where it has become confused with the theory itself. Essentially, it is not important to come to a consensus about what a card is absolutely worth. The game of Magic is dynamic and subject to many different frames of reference. As we have said, card value change based on format and game state. Basically, everyone is right when they say “Card A is worth X mana,” so its not really something to be wasting too much time on outside of a framed theory discussion.

So while card values change, what isn’t changing is the way we are measuring it. Thats the take-away here.

Assuming the new paradigm takes hold, there are two tasks at hand:

1. Apply the new system to what we already know. (This is what we are doing now)
2. Develop new theories that could not/did not exist under previous systems (easier said than done)

Hopefully this has been a bit easier to follow than the Podcast. As you can probably tell, we don’t script anything or even necessarily go into the process with a plan for what we are going to talk about. Usually that isn’t an issue (except when BDM and Flores go off on Basketball), but sometimes the big ideas get lost in the noise. As usual, I invite discussion in the comments (or @ me or mike on Twitter).

~WillPoP

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Price of Progress: States Junkie/Crypt Decks

Will Price | 12:17AM on Wed Nov 18 2009

If you like to gamble, start playing with this deck:

Crypt Combo AKA “Crabs”

4 Crypt of Agadeem
4 Drowned Catacomb
4 U/x Fetch Land
2 B/x Fetch Land
5 Island
2 Swamp

4 Hedron Crab
2 Kederekt Leviathan
2 Fatestitcher
4 Extractor Demon
4 Rotting Rats
4 Architects of Will
4 Viscera Dragger
4 Monstrous Carabid
3 Corpse Connoisseur

4 Grim Discovery
4 Traumatize

Sideboard:
4 Duress
4 Blister Beetle
4 Disfigure
3 Pithing Needle

I haven’t played the sideboard listed here, but its what the people who are placing in MODO events are playing so it must be good!

If you don’t know how this deck works, its pretty simple: mill yourself with Crab and/or Traumatize, mise a Crypt somewhere in the first 4 turns, then make a bunch of mana with at least one crypt activation and Unearth FTW. If your opponent has infinite life, then you just mill them out via Extractor Demon triggers.

Of course it is not always that simple, because rarely is your hand the right combination of Crypt/Crab/Traumatize/Grim Disco. The nut draws with this deck easily win turn 4, but the sub-nut draws have you mulliganning to 5 and hoping to get there on Cycling.

Because of the inconsistencies (I have played somewhere in the range of 100 games with this deck, that’s how badly I wanted it to be good) the matchup against any deck that can goldfish a turn 4 win is pretty bad. Red Deck Wins is virtually impossible (although i have not tried the Disfigures). Against Boros you can get there off a heavy Rotting Rats draw and chump blocking until you can systemagically set up your graveyard. Jund is a favorable matchup, especially if they do not have main deck Jund Charms, and double especially if they don’t have Goblin Ruinblaster main. Mono-Green is also favorable since they do not get nearly as fast a start as any of the decks mentioned previously. Against both Jund and Green, Unearthing (or even hard casting!) a Leviathan turn 4 or 5 will give you more than enough time to complete your kill.

You can’t really beat any deck that has Goblin Ruinblaster, Ajani Vengeant, Acidic Slime, or any of the blue enchantments that turn your land into something other than Crypt of Agadeem.

Against control decks (if you manage to spot one online, which is very rare) you are practically a lock game 1 because they can’t interact with you at all while you goldfish your win. Post board you can just side in your duress/negate and take your time. Set up your graveyard and you can even make them discard their whole hand via rats if you want before you attempt to go off.

In essence, this deck is a total crap shoot against the format. If I were to run it at states tomorrow, I would predict a 5-3 finish, probably good enough for like, 6 packs. I do think this is a deck to keep an eye on, however, should the format slow down at all. If any kind of control deck emerges from Worlds (happening this week for anyone who didn’t know), or if for whatever reason the red decks fall from popularity, then it is possible that Crypt Combo could be very well positioned for states. I am certainly going to keep it in mind, but in the meantime, there are quite a few other decks that have caught my eye, which I will write about as I get the chance to play with them.

As a side note: I have finally returned to Magic, and intend to start posting here again regularly! I have been pretty busy with a lot of other stuff the past few months and had to put the game on the back burner. In addition to having time to play, I have installed Windows on my Mac, and can now play MODO, which is absolutely insane. If you feel like playing some games, chat me up in game (my name is sloppystack, just like Twitter! PS: Follow me (and top8games, fivewithflores, and mattwang97) on Twitter!).

~WillPoP

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Podcast: M10 Preview - Mold Adder

Will Price | 01:42AM on Fri Jul 3 2009

Mike and BDM discuss (among other things) the Top8Magic.com M10 preview card… Mold Adder! You may need to turn the volume up a bit as this was recorded on BDM’s iPhone.

Mold Adder!

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Podcast: BDM/Flores Reunion Part 5

Will Price | 02:37PM on Tue Jun 30 2009

BDM and Flores are finally reunited in an intimate one on one podcasting session. In Part 5 they finish discussing the current M10 spoiler.

Reunion Cast Part 5

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Podcast: BDM/Flores Reunion Part 4

Will Price | 02:34PM on Tue Jun 30 2009

BDM and Flores are finally reunited in an intimate one on one podcasting session. In Part 4 they continue discussing the current M10 spoiler.

Reunion Cast Part 4

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Podcast: BDM/Flores Reunion Part 3

Will Price | 02:32PM on Tue Jun 30 2009

BDM and Flores are finally reunited in an intimate one on one podcasting session. In Part 3 they begin discussing the current M10 spoiler.

Reunion Cast Part 3

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Podcast: BDM/Flores Reunion Part 2

Will Price | 02:28PM on Tue Jun 30 2009

BDM and Flores are finally reunited in an intimate one on one podcasting session. In Part 2 they discuss an interesting strategy that emerged from PT Honolulu, Alara Block constructed, and Type 2.

Reunion Cast Part 2

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Podcast: BDM/Flores Reunion Part 1

Will Price | 02:23PM on Tue Jun 30 2009

BDM and Flores are finally reunited in an intimate one on one podcasting session. In Part 1 they discuss the Hall of Fame ballot and the increasing presence of MTG players in the World Series of Poker.

Reunion Cast Part 1

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